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Post by evalha007 on Jan 16, 2006 10:23:18 GMT -5
I will fire 20-30 times and then the marker doesn't re-cock. Anyone have any insight into this? This is with a full tank. Could it be caused by debris from ball breakage? Any other reasons?
Thanks!
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Post by greg94080 on Jan 18, 2006 19:22:24 GMT -5
check yer o-rings. I have killed the o-rings on mine by rapid firing with C02. As it expands it will freeze up your o-rings and make em useless.
-greg
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Post by FantasticDamage on Jan 19, 2006 10:50:10 GMT -5
Check the O-rings as mentioned above, as well as the sear or the lip on the back bolt. Drop 3-4 drops of air-tool oil into the ASA then gas the marker up and fire 20-30 times. This will oil the marker...
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Post by Kreeper X on Jan 19, 2006 17:54:45 GMT -5
Gotta agree. There are also other issues that can cause the marker not to re-cock... Most of them involve the O-rings (external as well as internal), lack of sufficient lubrication, debris in the bolt system, on and on and on...
Something else to consider. If you're using co2 and shooting rapidly in the cold weather of winter, this can cause massive dips in out-put pressure to the gun. This often results in shooting a string just fine and then having the whole thing just stop.
If you're playing outside, keep temporature in mind when you're firing fast. Watch your paint, because you may well see shootdown (shots not going as far because pressure is dropping off quickly) before the bolt stops fully cycling.
Tell us a little more about your set-up and the environment you're shooting in, because there are so many little things that can cause this that it's hard to list them all...
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Post by Wings on Jan 19, 2006 20:59:28 GMT -5
Could it be caused by debris from ball breakage? Any other reasons? Thanks! How many balls are you breaking in the gun? Where are the breaks occuring? It's possible though not likely. The ball breakage is most likely a symptom of the same problem but not the catalyst. |
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Post by evalha007 on Jan 20, 2006 0:08:04 GMT -5
I think and HOPE (fingers crossed) that it is due to me using old balls...they have been sitting around in a jar for about a year...I think that once one broke it jammed up everything causing the marker to not cock about every 20 shots...and caused more balls to break.
I would say that I probably go off about 30 shots before one broke, and after that, probably 2 of 3 were breaking due to junk in my flaline. I threw the crappy balls out...but I haven't had the chance to shoot any more since then...
The first time this happened it was in about 40 degree weather, the second time it was 32 degrees outside. I was running C02, so certainly this didn't help. Even with my stabilzer, I was still getting ice on both my volumizer and my stab after like 40 shots.
I took everything apart and lubed it up. My sear and bolt are both brand new, that is definately not the problem.
Oh; and it will be great once everything is in working order: my friends have been talking all kinds of mess about me spending 800$ on my marker and it not even working right... so much for me holding back when I get them in my sights... 20 bps can be painful. Payback's a -----
See my sig for my setup:
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Post by FantasticDamage on Jan 20, 2006 7:35:36 GMT -5
Try dry firing the marker to see if it still functions correctly after the 20-30 shots...
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Post by Wings on Jan 20, 2006 7:36:19 GMT -5
Year old paint thats been open!?!?! Paint older than 2-3months even under ideal conditions is trash. Please Please Please tell me you weren't shooting that stuff at other people. Open paint shouldn't be kept more than a couple weeks at the most. It is very possible that that is the cause of your problem.
What do you mean by 'silenced flatline' in your sig? Please don't say you ported your flatline... and if you did be sure to say where.
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Post by evalha007 on Jan 20, 2006 9:19:22 GMT -5
The paint was open, but was in a sealed container...I'm sure that was the problem... This paint was being shot at trees, just to test the marker, I always use fresh paint for games. By "silcenced flatline" I am referring to the Great Stuff foam insulation that I filled my flatline shroud with. It cut the sound by probably 30%. No, I am not dumb enough to drill holes in the flatline...  |
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Post by Wings on Jan 20, 2006 10:19:10 GMT -5
It does sound like the paint is the most probably culprit. Make sure you totally dissasemble and clean your marker (not just field strip) after breaking that many balls if you havn't already. Take extra care to make sure you get all the paint shell out. The shell pieces can act like a razor blade on another paintball traveling past it.
After everything is cleaned and oiled try the gun again with air and no paint. If it cycles properly for 50-100 cycles then try adding paint. Start with a slow ROF and work your way up. Use fresh paint! It doesn't have to be the $80/case tourny grade but dont go for the walmart special either.
If the gun still isn't working right your down to two options. The first is to completely strip the gun of all upgrades. Everything, no exceptions. Put the gun back to 100% stock, out of box, setup. Hopefully it should work like this. Now add one item at a time and test the gun as described above. Keep going until all upgrades/mods are back on or until the gun stops working. If the gun stops working properly remove whatever the last thing you added was and try one more time. The gun should work again. You now know the culprit. Post back with your results and we can go from there.
If the gun doesn't work in the stock setup the most likely cause is ratchet wear in the cyclone. Remove the ratchet and inspect it closely for any chips or tares. If you find any contact tippmann for a replacement. If the ratchet is good you may be down to your last option... calling Tippmann and sending your gun in for them to take a look at.
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Post by evalha007 on Jan 20, 2006 11:06:33 GMT -5
Thanks for the replies, I will try all you suggested, I even have an extra ratchet standing by...
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Post by evalha007 on Jan 20, 2006 16:04:58 GMT -5
During lunch today I aired up the A5, dry fired it and it would't recock. Put some oil on the 0-rings, and it began firing normally...for several hundred shots. Then I ran about 50 balls thru it, no breaks, perfect. Then I shot the rest of the tank out dry firing, re cocked every time. So it was just a combination of bad balls and lack of oil!! Major weight off my shoulders!! |
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Post by Wings on Jan 20, 2006 22:01:59 GMT -5
Glad to see you got it working. Every case or so be sure to put a few drops of oil in the ASA to help prevent a similar problem from happening again. You may want to do a visual inspection of all the O-rings. If they got dry enough to cause that big of a problem it's possible that they also started cracking.
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Post by sharpshooter on Feb 9, 2006 12:41:54 GMT -5
I suggest you check the CA14 drive spring behind the rear bolt and make sure it is over the minimum length required at 4.25 inch's
I have gone through this before and changed Orings, Paintballs , Co2 bottles ...etcs and never completely solved the problem .. untill I finally checked that spring and found it had shrunk to 4'' and wouldnt let the Sear engage the rear bolt properly ...
No problems after replacing the spring !!!! Only takes a minute to check it ...
Sharp
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Post by evalha007 on Feb 10, 2006 14:50:00 GMT -5
Once I cleaned it and dumped a bunch of oil in it, it was fine! Played thru a few 1000 rounds the other week, no problem.
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