Which stock is best?

[MNewman15]

Ok Guys, once i again i intrust you all in a paintball related decision, this time a stock....

Choice one is the function:

A JCS Combat Stock w/ RVA...
The looks arent as great as my other choice but still do good

Questions
1. Is It Comfotable?
2. Do I Need RVA?
3. How Much Do You Use It?
4. #/10?
5. Is It Worth The Price?
6. Is It Easy To Take Off/ Put On?

Questions 3 and 4 are for people who own and use this stock

My second option is a G36 Stock of some sort, like this...

Questions
1. Is It Comfortable?
2. How Does It Look On Your Marker?
3. Is It Worth The Price?
4. Does It Function Well As A Stock?
5. Is It Easy To Take Off/ Put On?

Any Help Here Is Greatly Appreciated
~NewmaN~

[Stoli]

mnewman15 said:

Ok Guys, once i again i intrust you all in a paintball related decision, this time a stock....

Choice one is the function:

A JCS Combat Stock w/ RVA...
The looks arent as great as my other choice but still do good

Questions
1. Is It Comfotable? Very! The adjustable feature makes it great. JCS also sells a rubber buttplate for it.
2. Do I Need RVA? Well... That's a subject of numerous other threads. I'd say it won't hurt you at the very least.
3. How Much Do You Use It? All the time! When I get onto a speedball field on occasion I just fold it up.
4. #/10? 9/10 - see #6 below
5. Is It Worth The Price? YES
6. Is It Easy To Take Off/ Put On? I have the version for the 98C and it's a bit of a pain on my marker - I need an pliers to get the retainer ring tight enough and it mars up the finish. Might not be an issue for the A5 as the mount is a bit different as far as I can tell fron the image

Questions 3 and 4 are for people who own and use this stock

My second option is a G36 Stock of some sort

I don't own this one so I'm not much help. As far as the looks go, it's not that much different from JCS (IMHO).

Hope this helps.

[Trigga Nometry]

I had the JCS VooDoo RVA stock on my A-5:

Questions

1. Is It Comfotable? - Heck YES. I really thought it added another dimension to the A-5 and really felt great when running a remote.

2. Do I Need RVA? Need it? Not really but I would certainly recommend it. Helps you fine tune efficiency and velocity.

3. How Much Do You Use It? I used it about 75% of the time. I just folded it up when I was in tight bunkers.

4. #/10? For me I'd give it a 9. Great stock, however, it was the only stock I have tried.

5. Is It Worth The Price? YES, Extremely well made and the RVA quality is amazing.

6. Is It Easy To Take Off/ Put On? Yes, very easy. Check out my HOW I CLEAN MY A-5 thread and you can see pics of me taking it on and off.

Hope it helps!

I bet Kreeper will really help you to compare the differences between a couple different brands. I think he has used several.

[scphantom9195]

I would go with the G36 based solely on looks. I have not used either type, but the JCS stock is FUGLY!! I don't think is goes with the lines of the A5 at all.

Of course functions over form right?

[Kreeper X]

I'm really kinda conflicted here.

The JCS is simply the best stock that you can get when you include the RVA. There IS NO OTHER STOCK that is as functional as the JCS.

• The RVA is a GREAT addition in that it's simply the better way to control the velocity your A-5 is launching paint down range at. Replace the front bolt and powertube with the JCS Gold powertube and you have a great closed system. The G36 stock doesn't include the RVA.
  
• The JCS is there when you need it and gone when you don't. The same can be said about the G36 stock, but the JCS doens't fold up behind the Cyclone like the G36 does, but that means that it's is actually shorter than the JCS.
  
• The G36 stock looks AWESOME, a LOT better than the JCS simply because it's more "real-world."
  

So in the end, it boils down to if you want the RVA or not. If not, I'd say go with the G36.

I've got two JCS stocks on my A-5s and love both of them. Don't bother with the adjustable one though, stick with the simple stocks... No need for the extra point of articulation.

It's a great shooting platform with very little wobble. And it takes but a mere second to switch from "shouldered weapon" to "Speedball, Preying Mantis Style Snap-shooter."

I am thinking about getting the G36 from Lapco (they make one as well) and adding the Spec-Ops Mag/reg and a JCS Gold powertube to my E-grip...

[MerrSonn]

Sorry if this makes your decision even harder but Lapco just came out with a folding PDW stock as well (FINALLY!!!).



FYI, Lapco's stocks are actually part of the OPS Gear Raider line, and are not made in house by Lapco.

[MNewman15]

I saw this but am now choosing between the Combat Stock w/ RVA or MP Stock w/RVA (both JCS) I just like the idea of being able to fine tune my velocity


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[Decker]

mnewman15 said:

EDIT: HOLY ************************************ BATMAN , Opsgear puts subliminal messages in their images.....(Highlight The Picture, or look at monitor from an angle)....MUST BUY MP STOCK

WHERE I DONT SEE IT!


OK guys I inverted the pic colours and ran it through an atomic scanner, than I have a crack team of photo analists look at it. We have found this encoded message in it.



(not intended to offend lapco, specops ,the raider line, ,a5od, mnewman15 or any postes at all.)

Seriously Im going to buy this and thro some goodies on my a5 to make it into a PDW so while I carry my launcher i can feel a little safe.

[Vashthestampede]

If it is endorsed by lapco that usually means that it is going to be a quality product, but I have owned jcs stocks and they are AWESOME.

[MNewman15]

decker said:

mnewman15 said:

EDIT: HOLY ************************************ BATMAN , Opsgear puts subliminal messages in their images.....(Highlight The Picture, or look at monitor from an angle)....MUST BUY MP STOCK

WHERE I DONT SEE IT!


OK guys I inverted the pic colours and ran it through an atomic scanner, than I have a crack team of photo analists look at it. We have found this encoded message in it.



(not intended to offend lapco, specops ,the raider line, ,a5od, mnewman15 or any postes at all.)

Seriously Im going to buy this and thro some goodies on my a5 to make it into a PDW so while I carry my launcher i can feel a little safe.

LMFAOWROFLAPMPDYUTA
(lauginh my ****'in @$$ off while rolling on flor and peeing my pants do you understand this accroynm?)

For the Accronym Impaired^^

[Kreeper X]

Both of the Lapco/Opsgear (made by the same folks) are great buys... I miss the idea of having an RVA though...

[Pyro]

Well, I am a little biased, but to make your decision even harder, OPSGEAR is offering a 15% discount until December 31.

Here is a demo video on how tough the Raider stocks are:

opsmedia.net/demos/raider-stocks-demo.wmv

[MNewman15]

Pyro At this point im loving the opsgears, but i really like the idea of RVA, so imma go with a MP JCS, but wen i go to the full on G36 look im comming to u guys

[LongRange]

I have a JCS MP5 style stock with RVA and love it, expect for the RVA. This is because after I started using it my shots per 20oz co2 tank went from 800 shots and up on a nice summer day to 500 – 600 in the same type of weather. I asked the tippy tech at TWC what the problem was and he said that tippys don’t always play nice with RVA’s so I stopped using it. Now I know some of you guys will swear by them, and that is great, but this is just my experience with it. I would definitely go with the JCS on this.

[Kreeper X]

Okay, Bumping up an old topic with new info.

I've finally bit the bullet and picked up the Lapco/Opsgear G36 stock. I've tested it out pretty heavily today and will provide a Verses review. I'll leave the RVA out of this review, since the Lapco doesn't have one. It remains a SOLID selling point for the JCS Stocks.

JCS Mp-Style Folding Stock v.s. Lapco G36 Folding Stock.

[glow=red,2,300]Installation:[/glow]

JCS: Easy. May take a little while to "wiggle it in" if you've got the receiver halves tight, but it's a simple Plug and Play upgrade.

Lapco: Same as above, though the composite can flake if the Receivers are too tight. This can lead to small flakes of composite in the push-pin hole which can make it very hard to get the push pins through the receiver and stock. Other than that, it's a simple Plug and Play option.

Edge: It's a tie.

[glow=red,2,300]Construction[/glow]

JCS: Machined Aluminum with a Crisp Metal joint

Lapco: Molded Composite stock and joint.

Edge: JCS, but just barely. The reason being that when all things are considered, I feel that metal is better. It tends to stand up to abuse better. The JCS joint is VERY solid and crisp. That's not to say that composite is bad (see below).

[glow=red,2,300]Size and Weight[/glow]

JCS: Very light, very solid. Very SMALL stock.

Lapco: Even Lighter and just about as sturdy even though it is significantly bigger. The use of Composite materials really reduces the weight. The G36 EASILY weighs about 2/3 the the JCS, but it's at least five times as thick as the JCS. The stock is as thick as the upper receiver (as it should be for a G36 type of stock) and about 1/3rd an inch shorter than my JCS stock. This means it folds completely away behind the cyclone when folded up.

Edge: Lapco. Just sorta feels like it's not even there...

[glow=red,2,300]Operation[/glow]

JCS: Simple operation requiring only one hand. You're shooting hand reaches back, presses a metal button to allow the stock to fold back, or another button to allow the stock to fold up.

Lapco: Beyond simple. Shooting hand slides between the stock and the body of the receiver and applies outward pressure. The stock will snap out into the "shoulder ready" position very quickly and smoothly. Folding the stock back in requires grabbing the stock with your shooting hand and simply lifting it slightly and pushing it to the left. No buttons.

Edge: Lapco. The simple fact that one can fire off a series of snapshots and, with a simple flick of the wrist, place the marker into a "shoulder ready" platform is beyond AWESOME.

[glow=red,2,300]Shooting Platform[/glow]

JCS: Great shooting platform. There is some wobble both at the joint and at the end cap. when extended, this wobble amounts to a total "movement" of about 1/4th inch.

Lapco: Great shooting platform but without the wobble. The locking mechanism for the Lapco provides a superior "lock" on the stock, and the end cap is a tighter fit to the A-5. The end result is a wobble that is measured in 64ths and 32nds of an inch, a 400% (or better) improvement.

Edge: Lapco. Much more solid a shooting platform.

[glow=red,2,300]Shooting Flexibility[/glow]

I define the shooting Flexibility of a stock as the shooter's ability to freely reach and activate the trigger regardless of the position of the stock. This is a VERY important aspect of any stock you use since you have to be able to get into "snap-shot/preying mantis" style and be able to blast away with either a "trigger-fan" or "walking" style while at the same time being able to rip with the weapon shouldered.

JCS: Without the RVA, the stock is well out of the way when folded in behind the cyclone. With the RVA the lower edge of the stock is out of the way but close enough to the trigger area that walking can be difficult because of the angle your fingers have to take to get by the stock and into the trigger guard. With the Drop-Block on, the trigger is even further in the way.

Lapco: Completely out of the way. The bottom of the stock is almost parallel to the top of the trigger area. Meaning that your fingers are free to access the trigger whether folded in or not.

Edge: Lapco. Just easier to get to the trigger when the stock is folded in comparison to the JCS.

[glow=red,2,300]Overall[/glow]

Again, I've done the best I could not to take the RVA into consideration with this comparison because it lends an advantage to the JCS stock.

But minus the RVA, the Lapco Stock is the superior product. The stock provides a more solid and stable shooting platform, operates with the flick of the wrist, weighs less, and folds up further out of the way.

In the end, I'd rate the Lapco G36 Folding stock as a 9.5 out of ten. If Colin found a way to include an RVA with it, it'd be a Ten.

I'd give the JCS an 8 out of 10, unless you get the RVA versions and then it's definitely a 9.5 as well.

In the end, the decision still boils down to the RVA. If you want an RVA, then JCS provides a great stock with a few flaws. If you don't want the RVA, Lapco is the way to go.