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Post by jestertls on Nov 6, 2005 0:08:00 GMT -5
There is no real way to win the war on drugs. The suppliers form South America, are simply suppling a demand. The demand comes from the users. So you have to eliminate the users and then there is no demand for the products. Taking out the supplier wont get you far. You will simply have a new supplier pop up to take the last ones place. And the more of them you get rid of, the stronger the few surviving and new upstarts are going to be.
As far as dealers, well there are so many out there. And getting rid of one, just means the guy on the opisit street corner just doubled his sales. And then there will be another POS to take the last ones place soon enough. What you end up with is the the darwin process. Only the strong and smart survive. And a smart drug dealer is not a good thing.
The answer is to make the use of drugs bad enough that people will not want to do it. Whether it be high dollar fines or some real jail time. But that is also not realistic. To me the war on drugs is not able to be won by our government. But it is a war that has to be fault. You dont really want Meth, Heroin, Crack, and these other bad drugs out there on the street killing people and ruining their lives, and the lives of everyone that love them.
There is a slight possibility that if pot was legalized, that it would cut down on use of these other narcotics. Why break the law for cocain if you can smoke a little weed legally?
But who knows....
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Post by SWATORNOT on Nov 6, 2005 0:59:45 GMT -5
Good points, I talked to a buddy back home in Minnesota abotu this ans he reminded me of a classmate that got busted for dealing pot. Finny thing he got charged for intent to sell, possession and ....AND.....wait for it.........
No Tax stamp on his sales! WTF is that all about? I understand that not adding tax when your "rolling" in the money is illegal but c'mon.
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Post by jestertls on Nov 6, 2005 3:26:22 GMT -5
It is a thing the government does. Even thou the drugs are illegal to posses, you still have to pay taxes on them. So you get caught, you owe them money. Brilliant!
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Post by Kreeper X on Nov 6, 2005 14:11:16 GMT -5
The demand comes from the users. So you have to eliminate the users and then there is no demand for the products. Ouch. Eliminate the users? Jeez. I've got an idea. How about instead of making it illegal to use drugs, let's stop handing out government checks to drug addicts? How about we make participation in ANY social welfare program contingent on A) Passing a long term drug test and B) passing random, twice per year testing. How about we stop putting people who use in jail and put them into treatment programs? How about we seal up the border and stop the FLOOD of drugs crossing the border in Mexican Military vehicles? Here's a good one. Let's start making those things that are really dangerous (Meth, Crack, Cocaine, acid, etc.) the points of contention and stop arresting people over pot. Folks, in the history of the world NO ONE has EVER died of a Pot overdose. Taking out the suppliers by sealing the borders and re-organizing the priorities of the Drug war to focus on truly dangerous substances and those who smuggle and manufacture them goes a long way to stop the problem. Putting users in jail does NOTHING. What we need to do is put some serious punishment behind those who distribute these substances. Freeze all their accounts, seize EVERY SINGLE ASSET these guys have. Cars, Homes, Bling...  Dealers are nothing but middle-men. It's the smugglers and suppliers that we need to hammer. If you make it prohibitively difficult and costly to supply the dealers, then the dealers will dry up... Why not? All it takes is for some people to finally get fed up and get the law makers to get their priorities re-organized. Here's my Neo-Con side coming out. Advanced warning. If they want to ruin their lives, why should I care? If they CHOOSE to ruin their lives why should I have to bale them out? /Neo-Con Honestly, we do need to fight a war on the drug trade in this country. It's simply too easy to import and distribute the product and instead of treating addicts we're jailing them over some pot... It's crazy. What legalizing pot would do is free people to use a safe drug and stop putting people in jail for growing, or using it. Stop spending BILLIONS of dollars stopping people from growing or using a little pot and direct that toward stopping the flow of HARD Narcotics through the borders of this country and into the hands of suppliers and dealers who are pretty much the source of the problem. Remember, if there is no supply, then the demand will go down and prices will go up. Soon, a vial of crack wouldn't be cheap enough that people who don't work and collect federal welfare checks to afford... You gotta stem the flow and stop the suppliers... Pot is safer than normal cigarettes... Yet it's illegal while tobacco companies continue to produce a product that literally kills MILLIONS of people... No one has died because of smoking pot, unless they were stupid enough to get behind the wheel of a car and got in a wreck... |
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Post by Kreeper X on Nov 6, 2005 14:16:25 GMT -5
No Tax stamp on his sales! WTF is that all about? I understand that not adding tax when your "rolling" in the money is illegal but c'mon. Yeah, tennessee has an illegal substance tax as well. The idea behind it is that if you are busted selling something illegal, like say crack or meth, then when you are arrested, you get a tax bill for the product you are caught with. It's kinda a way to hit the dealers where it hurts. Usually the tax is so high that the state can confiscate the private property of the dealer and leave him in a pretty hard spot... In Tennessee the tax on pot is SIGNIFICANTLY less that the tax on hard narcotics (hell, Cocke County Tennessee exports more grass than MOST countries) so there is a little common sence to the measure. I think it's a great idea. Some people think it sucks, but if you are a dealer, you SHOULD have everything you ever bought using drug money seized and sold off at auction to help fund treatment programs for those people who are adicted... |
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Post by SWATORNOT on Nov 6, 2005 14:30:27 GMT -5
Pot is safer than normal cigarettes... Yet it's illegal while tobacco companies continue to produce a product that literally kills MILLIONS of people... No one has died because of smoking pot, unless they were stupid enough to get behind the wheel of a car and got in a wreck... Wow, nice post Kreeper. You really hit the point on the last paragraph. Myself and many other that I know are puzzled at the fact that tobacco is legal yet we all know its causing so many deaths. The government pushes anit-smoking programs as well as the drug free ones so why does that make Cigarettes an exception? I am not sure if any of the older 18+ gents in here have read or do read playboy but a few months back (early-mid summer) They had a great write up about the smuggling of "BC Nug" from Canada into the U.S The figures they were pushing were ridiculous and they would Helo the stuff right into our country as far as Vegas. Something is very wrong if they can (A) get across the border without being caught, (B) getting that far into our country without being caught. We obviously spend a ton of money on our border patrols, yet they can still come into the country? Something isn't right there. We can't blame our illegal drug problem entirely on foreign soil any more. Now days the U.S. is seeing more and more meth labs all over. We provide for our citizens as sad as it sounds....but it is true. So we have to spend the tax dollars wisely on the drug issues at hand, and the government obviously does nott see the good in legalizing marijuana, taxing it and using the revenue to better fund the more extreme drugs enforcement. I am happy to see so much good input on this topic guys, really glad to see the different views and points you all are bringing to the table. ;D *edit* I knwo what your sayin on the second part of your post Kreeper, My buddy lost his Car, and everything he had inside his Apt. I see the point and logic to that, just thought it was an odd way of the gov getting more money. Too bad to because had the stuff been legal, the gov would be getting some PRETTY hefty tax checks |
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Post by ferkjace on Nov 6, 2005 19:51:14 GMT -5
It's kinda a way to hit the dealers where it hurts. Usually the tax is so high that the state can confiscate the private property of the dealer and leave him in a pretty hard spot... But they what are they going to do for money? ... Sell drugs? |
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Post by Kreeper X on Nov 7, 2005 8:39:04 GMT -5
It's kinda a way to hit the dealers where it hurts. Usually the tax is so high that the state can confiscate the private property of the dealer and leave him in a pretty hard spot... But they what are they going to do for money? ... Sell drugs? Get a job maybe? |
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Post by SWATORNOT on Nov 7, 2005 11:30:13 GMT -5
But they what are they going to do for money? ... Sell drugs? Get a job maybe? ROFL!!!!  Thats not the obvious solution tho..... lol |
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Post by Meph on Nov 7, 2005 11:32:39 GMT -5
But if legal then it is a job for them. They're pharmacists!
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Post by SWATORNOT on Nov 7, 2005 11:52:16 GMT -5
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Post by Decker on Nov 9, 2005 22:46:25 GMT -5
I actully sat down and came up waith a series of laws that would try to make the polotitans and the smokers happy. I was doign a comparitve reserch and analisys for my LAW class, any way here it goes. A)Legal user 1) Not allowed to smoke in public or in places where it can offend others 2) not allowed to smoke and drive 3)Must smoke on private property with permission 4)not allowed to have a total of 4 grams on your persons or dwelling at any one time 5)Must apply for licence at 18, can be revoked if reson is present (found useing other drugs, excessive viloent behavour, speeding/vhecale violations, like a drivers licence but for pot) 6) prohibited to smoke in the precence of a non card holder or minor 7) if you get more than 6 points on your pot licence its rovoked and/or suspended B)Legal seller 1) must apply for dealers licence and hold a less than 2 point pot user licence 2) May only sell to legal card holding users 3) All pot to be sold must come in goverment cheaked sealed bags 4) must store pot in secure structure, stole goods hold dealer at liability Genral rule These rules are open to expansion or contration The throy was a slow approch as in we take it one step at a time, There were more and more specific laws but I forget them now. Decker  |
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Post by Kreeper X on Nov 10, 2005 18:38:20 GMT -5
Get a job maybe? ROFL!!!! Thats not the obvious solution tho..... lol Sure it is. The problem with America today is not that people find themselves needing money to support themselves, it's that the don't see GETTING A FREAKIN' JOB as the most obvious solution. Instead, we have people who find themselves needing and thing that they are entitled to some kind of government hand out... |
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Post by Kreeper X on Nov 10, 2005 18:43:46 GMT -5
But if legal then it is a job for them. They're pharmacists! Not unless they attend school. I think that instead of street dealers it needs to be available from pharmacists... I still think that the "street level" dealers should be "dealt" with... Make it legally available via legitimate sources, stomp on the organized crime that has developed to import, distribute and sell the products, and stop wasting tax payer money on court costs, incarceration fees, etc... |
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