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Post by rayt1973 on Jan 2, 2006 17:44:48 GMT -5
my g/f bought me an a-5 for christmas.
the extras were....
flatline barrel (came installed)
tippmann double trigger
Wicked air sportz equalizer (electronic trigger - came installed)
tippmann expansion chamber
remote
adjustable stock
my trouble is when i pull the trigger my cyclone feed system keeps cycling. it will shoot a paintball everytime i pull it but its impossible to release it fast enough to keep from chopping balls. hope im making myself clear.... is it possible i did something wrong with my upgrades or is it a factory defect? thanks for any help
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Post by Decker on Jan 2, 2006 19:55:07 GMT -5
when you cock the gun ie: pull the lever back does it keep fireing or when you pull the trigger does it keep fireing?
If its the trigger like U think you are saying than the WAS board may be set on full-auto. If thats the case than it may have the rate of fire set too high. If I remeber the WAS has a rate of fire thats faster than the a5 can cycle without some mods. Dont worry as this is ajustible. Im not familar with the WAS but there may be a trimmer cap in it. It looks like a box or post with a flat head screw in it. If thats so that may be the ROF ajuster. Ill look into this more. So for now just read over the WAS manual to see if you can ajust the fire mode from full auto to semi-auto.
Note:
Fullauto-fires untill trigger is released.
Semiauto:one trigger pull is one shot fired untill trigger is released and pulled again.
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Post by rayt1973 on Jan 2, 2006 20:02:54 GMT -5
the lever must be cocked manually the first shot but after that it only shoots a paintball like normal, pull and release but while the trigger is pulled my cyclone feeder is going nuts, but it stops when i release the trigger
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Post by SWATORNOT on Jan 2, 2006 20:24:41 GMT -5
Here is the original thread of Ray's over on paintballforum.com Start of thread I tried to help him and diagnose the best I could and there may be more details there that could help solve this.. glad to see you made it over here alright! |
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Post by Decker on Jan 2, 2006 20:34:21 GMT -5
2 questions and a coment.
Try removing the remoteline and putting the bottle right on the marker. Did that help?
what type of stock do you have?
Have you tried cronying this?
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Post by rayt1973 on Jan 2, 2006 20:54:14 GMT -5
ive removed the remote, taken off the stock which i cant remember what brand it was.. sorry... ive also taken the battery out of my equalizer thinking that might help but my cyclone feeder is still going crazy when i pull the trigger. ive only shot it in my yard so i havent put it through a crony. ive adjusted the velocity taken my expansion chamber off, took my double trigger off, put the stock barrel back on it, took the cyclone feeder apart, took the whole gun apart and oiled it... i think that about covers all ive done. keep in mind that it will shoot paint and shoots it good but the cyclone feeder is spinning while the trigger is pulled and it is a HUGE GAS HOG! i figure thats from the feeder cycling all the time tho.
oh.. thanks for the link to here SWATORNOT
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Post by MerrSonn on Jan 2, 2006 21:01:25 GMT -5
So is it just the cyclone that's having problems, or is the marker trying to cycle as well? Is the A5 brand new or was it bought used? I'd check the sear, rear bolt, and ratchet for damage.
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Post by Decker on Jan 2, 2006 21:02:36 GMT -5
your best bet now is a call to tippmann. they wilol fix it for free if you send it in.
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Post by rayt1973 on Jan 2, 2006 21:07:42 GMT -5
So is it just the cyclone that's having problems, or is the marker trying to cycle as well? Is the A5 brand new or was it bought used? I'd check the sear, rear bolt, and ratchet for damage. as far as i can tell only the cyclone is the problem. the gun is brand new |
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Post by Kreeper X on Jan 2, 2006 21:52:48 GMT -5
So the cyclone is spinning controlled while the marker isn't cycling?
I don't think that's possible... The cyclone only works on blow-back gas, so the marker has to be cycling in order for the cyclone to spin, and then it can only spin one space because the piston is what drives the cyclone.
For what I'm reading to be right, the valve would have to be opening and closing repeatedly because the cyclone piston requires that gas fill the piston, pushing the plunger forward, moving the ratchet one space, vent the gas, pulling the plunger back, and then repeat the same process... There is NO WAY that the cyclone can be spinning...
Can you re-post the question and tell us EXACTLY what's going on and when it's happening?
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Post by Decker on Jan 2, 2006 21:59:33 GMT -5
OK!!! I found this on the Tippmann websight, this might help.
16. Why is my Cyclone® feeder not working properly?
Ratchet or axle damaged - Look at the ratchet. There is a tooth that catches the axle and turns it every time the marker is fired. If the material on the tooth of the ratchet is starting to break apart, it may not grab the axle and turn it properly. If it turns without paint but doesn't turn with paint, then the ratchet may be weakening and should be replaced.
Bent cylinder piston -If the cylinder piston is bent, it may cause too much drag and not move freely enough to cycle every time the marker is fired. In this case, the piston should be replaced.
Tank too low in pressure - If an air tank gets too low the Cyclone® feed may stop working. Fill the tank and try it again.
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Post by Kreeper X on Jan 2, 2006 22:03:21 GMT -5
OKay, I read the original post on the other forum.
SO the cyclone isn't going nutty, the bolt system is? This is an easy fix if that's the case. If you can get the marker to fire without the WAS E-Grip on, then the Double trigger has been installed with the "sear tripper" still attached to it. The marker should not fire at all if the WAS is turned off.
That will solve that mystery.
Next up, we have the bolt cycling uncontrolably. This is most likely caused by the expansion chamber leaking. What's happening is that the valve isn't pumping out enough air to get the bolt back to the sear to properly break the cycle. The result is the gun going into full auto, while firing only one ball.
With the A-5, there is also the cyclone to consider. As that bolt system is flying around in an uncontroled state, air is going to be pumpping into the cyclone as it should, only without the necessary pressure to make it turn properly.
So you need to double check all the connections where air is flowing through the system, take the metal back clip off the double trigger, and try it out again. If you leave that metal piece on the trigger, your e-grip is pretty much doing NOTHING because the trigger is still tripping the sear.
The whole thing sounds seriously like an air flow issue with the XC (eXpansion Chamber).
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Post by rayt1973 on Jan 3, 2006 18:28:59 GMT -5
OKay, I read the original post on the other forum. SO the cyclone isn't going nutty, the bolt system is? This is an easy fix if that's the case. If you can get the marker to fire without the WAS E-Grip on, then the Double trigger has been installed with the "sear tripper" still attached to it. The marker should not fire at all if the WAS is turned off. That will solve that mystery. thanks alot kreeperx!!!!!!!! that was my problem. I had a feeling it was user error and not faulty equipment. I cant tell you how happy i am now that its working. ive had it since christmas and havent got to enjoy it. thanks to you and to everyone that has put there 2cents worth. |
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Post by Kreeper X on Jan 3, 2006 22:06:13 GMT -5
Not a problem Ray!
Glad I could help. If you need anything else, there is a wealth of A-5 knowledge on this forum! Stick around with us and visit for a while!
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Post by SWATORNOT on Jan 5, 2006 0:57:55 GMT -5
Hey fabulous I see you guys got this all figured out, I tried to help to the extent of my knowledge and figured he would get this resolved here.... Enjoy that new toy now!
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