Ugh

[Meph]

So far it's been 2 weeks and they still haven't sent me my C3. It's just irritating. Not because I need to use the thing I have plenty of pumps, but because I have to break it down to figure out the exact working process. I'm making an animated demonstration of the internals for the C3. I have all the parts sorted out and the body layout all organized. I just need to figure out a couple things like specific lengths on a couple items and internal flow of gases.

I'm still confused from that damn scematic via the tippmann manual/pdf. It's so much easier if I'm holding actual pieces in my hand to examine them and their purpose. No 100% but looks like the gas pushes the brass piston back, and after X amount of gas flows out the piston & spring then outpowers the remaining gas left and seals the chamber back shut. Thus also explaining how the initial pump stroke is needed to vent the chamber.

Just needing to vent is all. I can't wait for this bloody backorder to be over with so I can finish this thing.

[LilBigMan]

Yeah, that must suck. I always hate waiting for new parts, upgrades, ect. I can't wait to see your animation though. The ones you did for the A5 were awsome!

[Meph]

Well some good news has come about, I just had a random idea of a new design pop in my head. Has to incorporate propane of course

I'll sketch that up temporarily while I wait. Of course it's a random idea, haven't worked everything into it yet.

[Meph]

Here = rought draft



*edit* Forgot about the piston's return spring. Had to add that in there.

Now everything obviously isn't 100% foolproof with the design right now. It's a "brainstorm" blueprint basically. The yellow portion is just air in front of the piston. When the combustion occurs the air is supercharged out of the piston through those holes. That air itself is what will propel the paintball out the barrel.

Now how to I recharge the propane for each shot. How fast of a ROF can this go before the air chamber starves. Will it fire fast enough to not worry about blowback gas going up the feedtube. Blah blah. Those are all variables that make this not a complete idea worthy of prototyping.

But it's good for discussion. And at least shows how propane can indeed be used as the future power source in paintball!

[LilBigMan]

Hahaha, the explosion picture was a good touch. ;D

[Millslane]

Meph, once again you have do a fantastic job! kudos and love the nuke going off

[Electricity]

meph said:

Here = rought draft



*edit* Forgot about the piston's return spring. Had to add that in there.

Now everything obviously isn't 100% foolproof with the design right now. It's a "brainstorm" blueprint basically. The yellow portion is just air in front of the piston. When the combustion occurs the air is supercharged out of the piston through those holes. That air itself is what will propel the paintball out the barrel.

Now how to I recharge the propane for each shot. How fast of a ROF can this go before the air chamber starves. Will it fire fast enough to not worry about blowback gas going up the feedtube. Blah blah. Those are all variables that make this not a complete idea worthy of prototyping.

But it's good for discussion. And at least shows how propane can indeed be used as the future power source in paintball!

You know whats messed up. I drew almost that exact thing, when the whole c3 rumors first started. Explaining, how, if they where to make a propane marker, how it would work.
And it ended up being 99% accurate. Except, instead of a piston return spring, i made it blow back similar to shockers.
Wish i had access to the pic, but it was lost on the a5og..

[deluxestogie]

Great animation (as always).

Those who have used the C-3 report warm, visibly glowing gas ejecting from the end of the barrel. It's not clear from your draft animation how the combusted gas would mix with the air and end up coming out the barrel. Also, how does ill-smelling, combusted gas exit the rear of the marker ("in my face," as reported by users)?

[Jackson]

deluxestogie said:

Great animation (as always).

Those who have used the C-3 report warm, visibly glowing gas ejecting from the end of the barrel. It's not clear from your draft animation how the combusted gas would mix with the air and end up coming out the barrel. Also, how does ill-smelling, combusted gas exit the rear of the marker ("in my face," as reported by users)?

That's not the C3 animation. It's an animation of a prototype for a propane powered gun that he came up with.

[Meph]

Haha, sorry. That's just a random idea that I had mid-process. Actually pretty plausible for the next generation of propane technology. I see it as a mix of the C3 and a Matrix (top hat o-ring type of seal and such).


The C3 actually indeed DOES use the propane gas expansion itself to propell the paintball. And the gas that "hits your face" is from four really tiny holes on the rear upper side of the tube/chamber. Check the Tipp manual, you'll see 4 offset tiny holes.

[jestertls]

Found something out Saturday at the field. My friend was playing around with our field owners C3, and he gets shocked when he pulls the trigger. He's like, this friggin thing shocked me!

His hands were barely wet with sweat. And he touched the brass looking piece of metal that the pump hits when you cock it (under the barrel on the body of the gun.) And when he pulled the trigger it got him. Not a bad shock or anything. Dont think that is suppose to happen. When you get yours, see if yours does that.

[deluxestogie]

There is a sparkplug in there somewhere.

Maybe it's just one of those harmless electrical shocks intended for training the user to hold the marker properly. Your friend will get the hang of it after a few more reminders.